London, July 20, 1973

Pradyumna (leads chanting, etc.):

saïjaya uväca

evam ukto håñékeço

guòäkeçena bhärata

senayor ubhayor madhye

sthäpayitvä rathottamam

[Bg. 1.24]

Translation: "Saïjaya said: O descendant of Bharata, being thus addressed by Arjuna, Lord Kåñëa drew up the fine chariot in the midst of the armies of both parties."

bhéñma-droëa-pramukhataù

sarveçäà ca mahékñitäm

uväca pärtha paçyaitän

samavetän kurün iti

[Bg. 1.25]

Translation: "In the presence of Bhéñma, Droëa and all other chieftains of the world, Håñékeça, the Lord, said, Just behold, Pärtha, all the Kurus who are assembled here."

Prabhupäda: So saïjaya uväca. Actually Saïjaya, the secretary of Dhåtaräñöra, he is relating the activities in the battlefield. Dhåtaräñöra is blind. How in the battlefield the fighting was going on, Saïjaya was observing, either by television or a similar method. Otherwise, how he could explain things are going on in the battlefield in the room? This Bhagavad-gétä, Saïjaya explained, all activities in the battlefield, to Dhåtaräñöra, within the room. So there must have been something like television or higher than the television, he was seeing within himself everything.

So scientific improvement is coming, but still on the material platform. Material means gross material and subtle material. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gétä:

bhümir äpo 'nalo väyuù

khaà mano buddhir eva ca

ahaìkära itéyaà me

bhinnä prakåtir añöadhä

[Bg. 7.4]

Earth, water, fire, air, sky, these five elements are gross material, everyone can see, gross. We can see earth, we can see water. We can see fire, air, or we can perceive the sky also. But there is subtle matter also. Mind, intelligence, ego. We cannot see the mind. We cannot see intelligence. I understand that you have got intelligence, or everyone knows we have got mind, but we cannot see. This is subtle. They are also matter, subtle matter. So the television is a machine made of gross matter, but there is possibility of making another machine of subtle matter. There is possibility. Because matter, they are also matter. That subtle matter machine is not yet discovered. But here we can see the subtle matter discovery was there. Otherwise, how Saïjaya could see the activities in the battlefield? This is to be understood. They are very much proud of material advancement of science, but still, they have to make advancement, subtle matter. And above that subtle matter, within that subtle matter, there is spiritual identity. Indriyäëi paräëy ähur indriyebhyaù paraà manaù, manasas tu parä buddhiù [Bg. 3.42].

First of all we can see a person. A person we see, what do we see? The senses. But we cannot see the director of the senses. The director of the senses is the mind. And the director of the mind is intelligence. And the owner of the intelligence is the soul. This is understanding. The soul is there. Whose intelligence? As soon as we shall say intelligence, whose intelligence? That is the soul's intelligence. Wherefrom the intelligence is coming? From Paramätmä, Håñékeça. Therefore this word is used here, håñ ékeça. The intelligence will come from Paramätmä. Otherwise we cannot act, just like a child has got intelligence, but it is guided by the parent's intelligence: "My dear son, do like this." And he does it. Similarly, we have got all this mind, intelligence, everything, but that is being guided by the super-intelligence, Kåñëa. Therefore He is called Håñékeça. Once we have explained Håñékeça. So we have to reach that platform where we can talk with Håñékeça. That is spiritual platform. That is possible. The more you become purified, you can talk with Håñékeça, who is within yourself. He is not outside. Although He in Goloka Våndävana, Kåñëa is always in Våndävana, in the spiritual world, but because He is Kåñëa, He can remain with you also at the same time, simultaneously. This is Kåñëa. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilätma-bhütaù [Bs. 5.37].

goloka-nämni nija-dhämni tale ca tasya

devé-maheça-hari-dhämasu teñu teñu

te te prabhäva-nicayä vihitäç ca yena

govindam ädi-puruñaà tam ahaà bhajämi

It is proposed, our Mäyäpura temple will be on this plan. Goloka-nämni nija-dhämni tale ca tasya [Bs. 5.43]. The highest planetary system, spiritual, that is spiritual planet, that is named goloka-nämni, Goloka Våndävana. We have given that picture in the Bhägavata cover. Perhaps you know. The topmost original planet is the Goloka. Goloka-nämni nija-dhämni. That is the abode of Kåñëa. Kåñëa-dhäma. Kåñëa-dhäma. People are searching after God. But actually there is the planet where God lives, Kåñëa lives. But you have got your machine, aeroplane, sputnik. You can reach there, but you cannot reach even the highest planet, even on this material planet, material universe. Everyone sees. We see the stars or planets. Now you have got the machine; you go there. No. You cannot go. You are so limited. Even you cannot go to the moon planet, which is so nearest. You cannot go. But still, we are proud of our these airplanes, sputniks. We are thinking, "Now we have become God." These rascals they do not know what is God. They are all rascals. They have no idea what is God. Therefore they have accepted another rascal as God. This is going on. You cannot reach. Panthäs tu koöi-çata-vatsara-sampragamyo väyor athäpi manaso muni-puìgavänäm, so 'pyasti yat prapada-sémny avicintya-tattve [Bs. 5.34]. Çästra gives you. Just like your material science also gives you information that there is one planet, highest planet, and one can go there by sputnik in forty thousands of years. So who is going to live forty thousand years to reach there? But they have got theoretically all these things. The highest planet. Material. That is not spiritual.

So after finishing this material world, there is covering of the universe, stock matter, mahat-tattva, wherefrom all these material comings. There is stock. So you have to penetrate through that stock material. And each layer of stock is ten times more than the other. So you have to pierce through the stock, material stock; then you reach the spiritual world. And the spiritual world, there are many... "Many" means three times more than these universes. This universe, this material universe, is only one-fourth manifestation of Kåñëa's creation. Ekäàçena sthito jagat. When Arjuna inquired from Kåñëa, "So would you kindly explain little of your opulence." "Yes." So He said, "I am this. Out of this, I am this." He summarized,

athavä bahunaitena

kià jïätena tavärjuna

viñöabhyäham idaà kåtsnam

ekäàçena sthito jagat

[Bg. 10.42]

Ekäàçena. You are seeing this universe. This universe—only a fragment of the material creation, a fragment. Caitanya Mahäprabhu informed us... One of His devotees requested Caitanya Mahäprabhu, "My dear Lord, You have come personally. You kindly take all the living entities to the spiritual world. Be kind enough upon them. And if you think that they are so sinful they cannot be taken, then transfer all their sins unto me. You take them. You take them." So Caitanya Mahäprabhu began to smile that "Even if I take the all the living entities of the universe, but do you know, this universe is only one fragmental part of other, all other universes. There are many other universes." And He compared that "In a bag where, bag full of mustard seeds..." Just imagine, a big bag of mustard seeds. "And this universe is just like one mustard seed." There are so many universes, so many universes. And it is confirmed in the Brahma-saàhitä: yasya prabhä prabhavato jagad-aëòa-koöi [Bs. 5.40]. Jagad-aëòa. Jagad-aëòa means this universe. Brahmäëòa, jagad-aëòa. Koöi, innumerable. Jagad-aëòa-koöi. Yasya prabhä prabhavato jagad-aëòa-koöi-koöiñv açeña-vasudhädi-vibhüti-bhinnam [Bs. 5.40]. And each universe there are innumerable planets. And each planet is different from others. This is God's creation. And these rascals are manufacturing God. And there is other description also. Yasyaika-niçvasita-kälam athävalambya jévanti loma-vilajä jagad-aëòa-näthäù [Bs. 5.48]. This jagad-aëòa, the universe. And there, in each universe, there is a controller of the universe, Brahmä. He is called jagad-aëòa-nätha, master of this universe. Because it is controlled by Brahmä, therefore each universe is called brahmäëòa. It is controlled by Brahmä. So in the Brahma-saàhitä we get information: jagad-aëòa-näthäù, plural number. There are many, many thousands jagad-aëòa... Not only one Brahmä. Many millions of Brahmäs, many millions of Çiva, many millions of Viñëu, many millions of sun. Because there are many millions of universes. Now, just imagine. This is material creation. And that material creation, Kåñëa says, ekäàçena sthito jagat [Bg. 10.42]. Taking all the material universes, it is only one-fourth creation of the Lord. And the three fourths creation is the spiritual world. Just imagine what is spiritual world. And in that spiritual, the topmost planet is Goloka.

So you cannot go even in the moon planet. How you can go to that spiritual planet penetrating the material coverings coming to the spiritual effulgence, Brahman, and after all these universes, then...? Therefore it is said, panthäs tu koöi-çata-vatsara-sampragamyaù [Bs. 5.34]. Koöi-çata-vatsara, millions of years, if you go with your sputnik with full force... Panthäs tu koöi-çata-vatsara. Not this sputnik, but make your planes of mind speed. This is material speed. What is this speed? A few thousands, twenty thousand, fifty thousand. But do you know mind speed? You are sitting here, and immediately, within a second, you can go to India. This is mind speed. Immediately. So panthäs tu koöi-çata-vatsara sampragamyo väyor athäpi [Bs. 5.34]. By the air speed or mind speed. Väyor athäpi manaso muni-puìgavänäm. And driven by great scientists, muni-puìgava. Puìgava means very expert, nara-puìgava. So big, big scientists, expert scientists, if they can discover airplane which is running on mind speed or air speed... They are not, they cannot go by the air speed. They fly on the air, but not with the air speed. So in this way, still, avicintya-tattve, after going many, many millions of years in that speed, still you will find, "Oh, Goloka Våndävana is far, far away." This is the position.

So that Krsna... And we are explaining what is Kåñëa. Don't consider Kåñëa is ordinary human being. Avajänanti mäà müòhä mänuñéà tanum äçritam [Bg. 9.11]. Because He kindly appears before us just like ordinary human being, don't think that He is like us. It is the conclusion. Just like these rascals, they think that "Because Kåñëa appeared as a human being, I am also God. I am also God. Why Kåñëa shall be alone God?" So we are trying to explain what is Kåñëa, Håñékeça. Håñékeça. Then goloka-nämni. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilätma-bhütaù. Goloka eva nivasati.

änanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhävitäbhis

täbhir ya eva nija-rüpatayä kaläbhiù

goloka eva nivasaty akhilätma-bhüto

govindam ädi-puruñaà tam ahaà bhajämi

[Bs. 5.37]

So our worship is very simple. Tam ahaà bhajämi. We worship that Govinda, ädi-puruñam. Govindam ädi-puruñaà tam ahaà bhajämi **. We don't worship ordinary so-called rascals. We worship Govinda. How Govinda is? The Govinda's description is Brahma-saàhitä. That Govinda, änanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhävitäbhiù: "He is always in the spiritual world, which is änanda-cinmaya-rasa." Not this kind of änanda-cinmayänanda, spiritual bliss. Spiritual bliss means it is continually going on; still, nobody is fed up. Here you can accept any änanda in this material world, so many things. It cannot go on very long time. Suppose if I give you rasagullä, one rasagullä, you can take: "Oh, very nice." Another, "Very nice." Another, "Nice." Then next four or five, "No, I do not want." Finished. Similarly, any änanda you can take. Sex life. It cannot be continued. Finished. So try to understand what is cinmayänanda. Änanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibhä... It, they'll never ends. It goes, nava-nava-yauvana, one after another, new, new, new, new. Just try to understand what is spiritual bliss. You do not... The sahajiyäs, they accept this material bliss as spiritual bliss. That is called sahajiyä. Don't be sahajiyäs. Try to understand according to çästra.

So Kåñëa is described, this how He becomes Håñékeça, that goloka eva nivasati. He is enjoying with His associates, the cowherds boys, the gopés, in goloka-nämni nija-dhämni. He is enjoying there. At the same time, He is within your heart. This is Kåñëa, Håñékeça. He's come simultaneously, not only within your heart, within the atom. Aëòäntara-stha-paramäëu-cayäntara-sthaà govindam ädi-puruñaà tam aham... [Bs. 5.35]. Not only within your heart, but within the atom. Just imagine. How many atoms there are. So Kåñëa is everywhere. These are..., we have to take information of Kåñëa from the çästra. Çästram eva cakñusä (?). Vedänta-sütra. Your eyes should be çästra, not your so-called imagination. çästra-cakñusä. Yaù çästra-vidhim utsåjya vartate käma... [Bg. 16.23]. If you give up the direction of the çästra and manufacture your own way, yaù çästra-vidhim utsåjya vartate käma-kärataù, as you like, then na sa siddhim aväpnoti: you will never get siddhi, perfection, never get. Na sa siddhim aväp..., na sukham, neither happiness. And what to speak of paräà gatim, going back to home, back to Godhead. So çästra-cakñusä. Everything we have to take from the çästra. Because we are blind now. çästra-cakñusä. Our, the çästra-jïäna, because the spiritual master enlightens the disciple with çästra-jïäna, therefore he is spiritual master. If the spiritual master bluffs the disciple, then he is not spiritual master. Bluffing. No.

om ajïäna-timirändhasya

jïänäïjana-çaläkayä

cakñur unmélitaà yena

tasmai çré-guruve namaù

[I offer my respectful obeisances unto my spiritual master, who with the torchlight of knowledge has opened my eyes, which were blinded by the darkness of ignorance.]

This is guru. Guru means he'll always enlighten the disciple with the light of çästra. Not that he will say, "There is no need of çästra. I am incarnation. I, whatever speak, you take it." No. This is rascal. You should immediately, who has no reference to the çästra, immediately take him as a rascal number one. This is the conclusion.

So here is çästra, Bhagavad-gétä. Håñékeça. We have already explained one day. Here also, again we are explaining. Håñékeça. Kåñëa. Kåñëa is there. He never leaves from Våndävana. He is there. Why? Here also. Just like we see, a very rich man, a very influential man, the president, he lives in his... The Queen, she is in the Buckingham Palace. But she cannot go at the same time anywhere and everywhere. No. She is in, packed up in Buckingham Palace. Kåñëa is not like that. Therefore He is Håñékeça. Try to understand the distinction between Kåñëa and others. Kåñëa is goloka eva nivasaty akhilätma-bhütaù [Bs. 5.37]. Ätma-bhüta. This ätma-bhüta is Håñékeça. He is giving intelligence. The more you become purified, the more you get direct instruction from Håñékeça. This is the point. So how you can become purified? Purified means no more influenced by the modes of material nature. That is explained: guòäkeça. Guòäka éça. Guòäka means darkness, and éça. When you become master of this material world, or material senses. This material world means material senses. That's all. So if you become master of the material senses, then you become guòäkeça. Therefore Arjuna is described here as guòäkeça. Arjuna... Don't take Arjuna that he was mistaken. No, he cannot be. How he can be? He is constantly with Kåñëa. How he can be misdirected? No. That is not possible. In the Caitanya-caritämåta it is said that kåñëa sürya-sama mäyä andhakära [Cc. Madhya 22.31]. So guòäka means darkness, mäyä. So kåñëa sürya-sama mäyä andhakära. The darkness and light is there always, side by side. We have got experience. Here is sunlight, here is darkness. So these two things are there. So kåñëa sürya-sama mäyä andhakära, yähäì kåñëa tähäì nähi mäyära adhikära. Wherever there is Kåñëa, there is no jurisdiction of darkness or mäyä.

daivé hy eñä guëamayé

mama mäyä duratyayä

mäm eva ye prapadyante

mäyäm etäà taranti te

[Bg. 7.14]

You can become immediately out of the scope of mäyä if you always remain surrendered to Kåñëa. Mäyä will not touch you. Just like if you remain always in the sunshine, there is no question of night. Nowadays it is very easy. If you simply drive your plane on the western side, you'll never get night. You just round about. Yes. Just like it is materially possible. You drive your plane simply on the western side. Start your plane in the morning and go to the western side and don't stop it. You go on for three, four, as many days as you like. You'll never get night. This is practical. Similarly, if you keep always with Kåñëa, you are guòäkeça, you will never get darkness. Or mäyä will not touch you. This is Kåñëa consciousness. So try to become Guòäkeça.

The next verse. Kåñëa Håñékeça. So He knew the sarvasya cähaà hådi sanniviñöaù [Bg. 15.15]. Kåñëa is there. Kåñëa knows what is your purpose, what you want to do, what is your past, future. Everything Kåñëa knows. Everything Kåñëa knows. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gétä. Vedähaà samatétäni; [Bg. 7.26] "I know everything." So Kåñëa, sthäpayitvä, rathottamaà sthäpayitvä. As soon as Arjuna asked Him, senayor ubhayor madhye rathaà sthäpaya me 'cyuta [Bg. 1.21], immediately He carried out the order and He knew why he wants. He wanted to see, "With whom I have to fight, my friends and relatives." He's hesitating. So why this ignorance of Arjuna, the question may be. Arjuna is guòäkeça. He is above this material world. How he is being affected by his so-called relatives and kinsmen? He was hesitating to fight on this principle, that "They are my relatives. They are my kinsmen. They are my family members." He was always thinking. Therefore Kåñëa knew it. So he has become so family-wise infected. But he is guòäkeça. How it is possible? He is above all these things. Yes, he is above all these things. By Kåñëa's desire, he is playing like that, ordinary man. Otherwise, how Bhagavad-gétä will come? Kåñëa cannot talk with ordinary person. Kåñëa cannot fight with ordinary person. Even the demons, when they come, just like Hiraëyäkña, Hiraëyakaçipu. They were Jaya-Vijaya in the Vaikuëöha world. So they came here, and Kåñëa asked them, that "If you become My enemy, then within three births you will come back. And if you remain friend, then seven births." So they preferred, "Oh, I shall become Your enemy, Sir, so that I can come back again after three births." So why? That Kåñëa has all the propensities. Just like we sometimes want to fight, mock fight. So in the Vaikuëöha world there cannot be any fight. So because Kåñëa wanted to exercise His fighting spirit, He sent His devotee. He became enemy and He fought. So you have to understand Kåñëa in that way, as Håñékeça. He knows that unless Arjuna becomes affected family-wise, how Bhagavad-gétä will be there? Therefore although Guòäkeça, Arjuna, is above darkness, still, by the will of Kåñëa, Håñékeça, he played just like ordinary man, affected with his family affection. Therefore Kåñëa in the next verse says... Uväca. Kåñëa said, "My dear Pärtha, now you wanted to see with whom you have to fight. Now, here is Bhéñma, Droëa, and many other kings. All the descendants of Kuru dynasty, your Dhåtaräñöra's sons. Now you see very nicely and be prepared to fight with them." So this is the explanation of Håñékeça and Guòäkeça.

Thank you very much. (end)

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